Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? I like her personality though, mostly. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! I have considered it and rejected it. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? I want to really like Discovery, I do. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? That could explain the weight gain. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. Thats kind of what I was playing with. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. And thats a healthy outlook. Im a human being, you know? Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained ;). American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. Just blows my mind. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. Age is affecting my memory haha. This sounds kind of racist. Star Trek: Discovery Boss Explains That Tilly Reveal - Yahoo! News She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Therefore, I love her. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! Right! I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. Sonequa is a great actress. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Paramount+'s Star Trek: Discovery is the flagship of the modern-day Star Trek television franchise, premiering in 2017 and about to launch its fourth season on November 18. Star Trek Discovery boss explains surprise season 4 exit - Digital Spy In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. What a surprise. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. What do you mean? As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. Harry wasnt annoying. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Theory: There Is Something About Grudge Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. They just didnt do much with him. Its just lazy writing. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. I tried watching Star Trek Discovery but can't anymore. I find it to be Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. We never saw her effort to become that person. All are different. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Shes a little overweighed, so what? I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. Unity? And tons dont. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Its all pretty subjective. Actually, the production team is not helping either. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Have to completely agree you T2. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. Do you see that tension? I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. Waste of talent. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? That is definitely not a true statement. actor requirements for shows/movies ridiculous? - Page 2 And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Its could have (or couldve). There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. So I was also just very excited for the fans. Is Tilly (actress) pregnant or unwell?? - The Trek BBS I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Return And Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' She strikes me as no different than Barkley. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. But then again Im not a troll. :). It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. American actress Mary Wiseman was born on July 30, 1985. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. That will be the one I read first! It makes it quite American centric. It just happened. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Its participation trophy trek. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Mary Wiseman Net Worth The net worth of Mary Wiseman has been estimated at $1 million. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. I agree! Im not counting on it. (80's for ya) I love Tilly. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. I like me. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett.
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